Legacy simplifies and automates Carbon Accounting

How can you help property owners save at least a gigaton of Co2? That is the question that Legacy is trying to answer by helping real estate owners with their carbon accounting and take action on Co2 saving measures. But how exactly do you even try to start solving such a big issue? I’ve had a chat with the CEO of Legacy, Barry Trout, to get some insights and he has some exciting advice for both investors and founders.    

About Legacy

About the investment

Team Legacy October 2023

Can you explain what Legacy actually does? 

Legacy measures the amount of greenhouse gases (GHGs) produced by running and powering buildings. GHGs are gases that warm our planet’s atmosphere and contribute to global warming. We measure GHGs for owners of buildings so that they can understand the impact they are having on our climate and take steps to reduce that impact.

What is it like being a non-founder CEO?

I love being the CEO of a company with a group of such talented and committed co-founders. I have the freedom to contribute in multiple areas and help steer the business in general. I relish helping to free up the co-founders so that they can focus on what they are great at and enjoy doing the most. The co-founders and I work very well together, have complementary skill sets, and are cognitively diverse, so our ability to solve problems and move forward at a pace is strong.

Legacy is already present outside og Denmark – what are the main learnings of going abroad quite early in the company’s lifetime?
  1. Warm introductions to the right decision-makers are very helpful. People like to know that a company from overseas has a good reputation and comes recommended.
  2. Doing a great job in your domestic market is very important. Overseas clients will do their due diligence on you, so it is important to have won and exceeded the expectations of some reputable clients in your home country.
  3. It is very important to put in enough effort in the overseas markets to get some traction but without detracting from your efforts at home. There is a fine line between spreading yourself too thinly geographically and not taking advantage of overseas opportunities in a timely manner.
How have you found the challenge of disrupting a perceived “old-school” industry?

In general, our clients and potential clients demonstrate a high degree of appreciation for protecting the environment and have a keen interest in enhancing the value of their property portfolios. However, we sometimes find that the industry overall would benefit from more urgency in decision-making with respect to measuring and reducing emissions.

The capital markets are beginning to move towards rewarding strong environmental performance in real estate, and the speed with which this will happen is intensifying. Our clients and potential clients need to be ready to take steps to measure, understand, and act on their emissions data so that they can improve their emissions performance and drive superior returns. ‘Greener’ buildings attract people and capital and are simply worth more than ‘less green’ buildings. Such buildings also benefit from cheaper finance and other related financial products.

There are tens of millions of commercial and residential buildings in the EU, all of which accommodate or involve humans in some capacity. There are very few sectors in the global economy to which the application of technology can make such a universally tangible impact, especially around emissions.
Barry Trout
Barry Trout
CEO
What is unique about Proptech as a vertical?
  1. The property industry is very large. There are tens of millions of commercial and residential buildings in the EU, all of which accommodate or involve humans in some capacity. There are very few sectors in the global economy to which the application of technology can make such a universally tangible impact, especially around emissions.
  2. There is a huge value tied up in real estate. Large office buildings in cities like London can be worth billions of dollars. Proptech is a vertical in which relatively inexpensive technologies like Legacy’s can help building owners create millions of dollars in incremental returns, as well as avoid the fines and negative PR associated with not complying with climate regulations.
What is your top three advice for aspiring founders? (Barry is so generous, he came up with five)
  1. Never give up. You will come across an unlimited number of challenges and problems, but if you believe in your idea, just keep going. Having ‘grit’ is one of the most important qualities you can demonstrate.
  2. Hire great people around you and look for strong personal attributes and qualities over raw ability and talent. Great people with the right attitudes and personal qualities are more likely to work together as a high-performing team to make amazing things happen. Do not compromise and hire anything other than A-players.
  3. Ask for help. There is always someone out there who knows more than you do, can connect you to opportunities, and can listen to and challenge your ideas. You can’t build great companies alone, so don’t be shy in asking for help. Other people will want to help you.
  4. Act with urgency always. Don’t wait until tomorrow to reply to that inquiry, set up the meeting, or take action. Time kills deals and opportunities.
  5. Be optimistic and positive. It’s likely going to be a tough journey, but anything worth doing will be, so just smile and try to positively influence those around you. There are huge opportunities out there, so why not be the one to take advantage of them.
What is your top three advice for investors looking to invest in early-stage start-ups?
  1. Spend time getting to know the team and identify and understand both what makes them special and how much belief and drive they have. The quality of the team and its ability to drive forward under all circumstances will be a key determinant in success.
  2. Really spend time understanding the idea and what makes it both scalable in a short time frame and defensible.
  3. Think deeply about how you can help the business. Capital is great, but capital + network + industry/subject matter expertise can be very powerful.

The investor angle and how I work with Legacy

I got to know Legacy through a fellow Business Angel in late 2021. I was immediately impressed by the team, their vision and impactful business model. Besides that, they had managed to close a really big customer very early on. Therefore it didn’t take long before I, together with a Fund and four other Business Angels, invested via a Convertible Note in early 2022. 

Legacy is one of the investments where I take a primarily passive role. We’ve sparred a bit on digital lead generation and online marketing, but to a very limited extent. In our group of Business Angels who invested we have two representatives who provide feedback and guidance on a more regular basis.

What Legacy does well that others can learn from:

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Legacy has determined a very specific target market for their solution

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Legacy are focusing on a very tangible and urgent need for de-carbonisation in the real estate sector – and their solution can make a measurable impact

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Legacy are becoming a thought-leader within their domain and are spreading awareness and knowledge on a regular basis which increases credibility